Lilia Drakon’s PVE MI Executioner Mod 10 Build (Updated 12-13-16)

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Lilia Drakon’s PVE MI Executioner Mod 10 Build (Updated 12-13-16)

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Updated: Dec 13, 2016 (added links to relevant blog posts, updated stat distribution, updated feats, equipment, defensive stats, various parts regarding ITC, mounts, and replaced “Rotations” with “Tactics” and updated that whole section)

 

Introduction:

This build is for PVE MI Executioner rogues.  I’ve been playing for a while, now, and this is what works for me and my style of playing.  It is so much fun to play Rogues in this game and I see so many people say “Gosh, I love to play my Rogue, but don’t expect to be on the damage chart in PVE”.  Or, “Rogues have terrible burst damage”.  Or, “They just can’t perform as well as every other DPS class in PVE”.  This is nonsense.  It’s not as easy as some classes, but PVE Rogues are undervalued and underestimated.  Admittedly, I have worked hard and am almost BIS, (at least until the next mod T_T), but I probably top the DPS chart (for whatever that’s worth) 90% of the time or more.  I can’t think of the last time I wasn’t at least in the top 2, and my guild is not a high ranking guild with tons of boons, either.  However, I have been dropped from groups before the run because they want “HDPS” and simply don’t believe me when I say I can do it.  Fellow PVE rogues, we need to pull ourselves up and take some pride in our class’ potential.  Take a look and feel free to offer me suggestions or criticism.  I can take it, and you could very easily know more than me!  Also, check out my blog for more tips and insights at http://www.nwohackandslash.wordpress.com

Race:

The race I picked was human because I like the extra feats.  That’s not to say you’d be wrong to go with dragonborn or half Orc. I’m sure any of those would work and there is more than one path up the TR mountain.  Pick whichever you like, but put your stats into Strength and Dexterity.  The Combat Advantage damage from Charisma is nice, but the by moving the points from Strength into Charisma, you end up losing about 10% damage.  My blog post Here explains the numbers a little better on why Strength is a better choice than Charisma.  Combat Advantage is important to this build, but you will get greater DPS mileage out of putting those points into Strength.

Stats:

The first offensive stats you want to build up is armor pen to where resistance ignored is 60%.  Next, you’ll want crit and power.  Eventually, you’ll want crit to be in the 80%-90% range and then stack power as high as it’ll go, but, if you are starting out, I’d recommend a ratio of 2:1 power crit, until you can get those bondings refined up.  I’m gonna get into some numbers here to help explain my reasoning.  First, armor pen is important to 60% because 60% is the highest resistance any monster has in PVE.  After that, it’s as useless as an ejection seat on a helicopter.

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(Visual representation)

Next we come to the power/crit optimization.  Since mod 6, the optimal ratio is represented by this equation:

c – p = 40000 * (1 – b – 1/s)

c: points in your ‘Critical Strike’ stat
p: points in your ‘Power’ stat
b: your base critical chance (how high your chance to hit critically is if you have 0 points in the ‘Critical Strike’ stat)
s: your ‘Critical Severity’

(Much thanks to the people at neverwinter uncensored for this information which I have shamelessly copied and pasted from here.  You should totally read it.)

For me, it states (I think I did it correctly) that I should have 640 extra points in my crit over my power.  This is a good place to start, but, with rogues, you have the added advantage of critical striking automatically every attack you deal from stealth.  This makes optimization a bit more complicated.  For the rotation I use, most of my encounter powers are delt from stealth and crit automatically.  However, most of the damage I do comes from duellist flurry which takes longer to perform than stealth lasts.  Duellist flurry also hits a bunch of times for smaller damage (as compared to at wills of other classes).  You definately want to maximize your crit chances, but I’ve found that if you can maintain a crit chance of around 85%-90%, where 9 out of 10 DF hits crit, you aren’t losing much in the way of damage.  Also, in that last stretch to get from 90% to 100% in crit, you end up sacrificing a lot of resources better spent in power where you can get a lot more bang for your buck.  Remember, for every 400 points you put into power, you do 1% more base damage.  That’s also why the ratio of 2:1 power to crit, as you are gearing up, is more effective than going for straight crit to 80-90% right out of the gate.

The defensive stats you want to work on is life steal (to about 20%)> Deflect > Hit Points > Defense

Life steal is our main defensive stat.  Many of our attacks hit multiple times which give us a better chance to proc life steal.  It won’t help you if you are killed in one shot, but when your soul forged enchantment pops you back up, you’ll heal back up fast.

Our defense isn’t really easy to stack and there is a lot of research out there (mostly by @thefabricant , thank you!) that shows in PVE defense is better to stack than deflect.  However, for most classes, deflect is only at 50% severity.  For rogues, it’s 75%.  Furthermore, we start out pretty close to 25% deflect to begin with.  That makes points put into deflect more effective.  Hit points are also nice so that you have a little more life to absorb the hits.  When you think about it, it makes sense when a lot of the armor looks like a nightgown with a big crotch flap, or a skirt and a bikini top.

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“Damn you frost goblins!!!”

As TRs have super long cool downs, trying to stack recovery is great as well.  It’s doubly important for executioners because it takes a bit for us to recover from our burst damage before we can do it again.  And, you really really want to do it again as fast as possible.

Whisper knife or master infiltrator?  Although there might be a version of this build that works well for whisper knife builds, I sometimes still use Impossible to Catch (after the changes made recently).  And, when you need it, it is very handy to have.  Automatically deflect 75% of damage and resist control effects?  Yes please.  +10% power when I use it (feat)?  Don’t mind if I do!  Plus, it gives me an enormous amount of satisfaction to watch a dragon scatter everyone with a wing blast except me chopping away at his soft underbelly.  Did you see how far that Great Weapon Fighter flew?  Yes.  Yes I did.

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Before you say it GWFs, I know you can avoid being knocked away.  I just didn’t have as good a picture for a pissed off Scourge Warlock.  Incidentally, this is how I picture every angry GWF.  Even the girl ones.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Bonding Runestones allow you to really stack stats up higher than you normally could before.  They are the single biggest boost to your stats that you can have.  Here are my stats before bondings and after bondings (and other buffs) are procing (note I forgot I was in stronghold so I got the campfire stat bonus):

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Feats:

I’m human so I get an extra 3 heroic feats.  This build focuses on flat % damage increase and power increase.  Here ya go!

Heroic Feats:

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Action Advantage:  This tiny extra 4% Action point gain while dealing CA damage doesn’t hurt, but doesn’t help a whole lot.  But, you gotta put some points somewhere!

Weapon Mastery:  +3% Critical Strike

Toughness:  +9% Hit Points

Cunning Ambusher:  +6% more damage for 6 seconds after leaving stealth

Endless Assault: Encounter Powers deal 6% more damage

Lucky Skirmisher: +3% Deflect.  Deflect is nice.

Scoundrel Training:  At Wills do 9% more damage

Disciple of Strength:  Increases the amount of bonus damage Strength gives you by 6%

Note: If you aren’t human I’d suggest dropping 1 point in Action Advantage, 1 point in Lucky Skirmisher and only put 2 in Scoundrel Training. 

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I chose three feats in the Scoundrel tree:

Bloody Brawler: +2.5% Lifesteal

Press the Advantage: +10% Power whenever you use Impossible to Catch

Back Alley Tactics: +25% damage immediately after a daily power.

In the Executioner tree:

Grim Pleasure:  dealing a Critical Strike increases your power by 5% for 4 seconds.

Vicious Pursuit: +5% more damage for 6 seconds when you deal damage to that target

Deathknell:  +25% more damage to foes below 30% health

Last moments: +25% more damage to foes below 40% health (70% when stealthed)

Shadowborn: +100% Power when entering stealth

Shadow of Demise: target takes piercing damage equal to 50% of the damage dealt over 6 seconds

There is a lot of debate over Grim Pleasure vs Arterial Cut. Arterial Cut is probably better if you are just starting out. Once you get your vorpal and your base power reaches about 20000, you are probably better off using Grim Pleasure.  Here is my Blog post that explains these two feats in more detail than you probably expect or need.

Powers:

For single target enemies:  The powers I chose are all about maximizing damage over the 6 second window before Shadow of Demise procs.  To that end, I usually dazing strike and lashing blade.  More on that later.  For the last encounter, I usually slot smoke bomb, or, if the situation calls for it, Impossible to Catch.  If you need to help up the DPS of your group, use Wicked Reminder.  The at wills I use are sly flourish (4th hit applies broken armor which increases all damage taken by 10%), and duelist flurry.  Duelist Flurry (and the bleed ticks it gives) deals more damage than any other power we have, but once you have the bleed ticks maxed out (or even in between duelist flurries), 4 hits from sly flourish will really increase the damage taken.  For passive powers, I use Invisible Infiltrator (for the extra stealth and bonus damage) and Infiltrator’s Action (more on this later).  For dailies, the number one that you will use most of the time for single targets, is Lurker’s Assault.  Sometimes, if a debuff is needed, I’ll use Courage Breaker.  The DPS isn’t as good as LA, but if you all die, you lose.

One note:  Shocking Execution may be nice in pvp, but if you are using it in pve, you are giving up a bunch of DPS.  Seriously, don’t use SE in PVE.  It’s terrible.

For mobs: the encounter powers I use are Lashing Blade or Blade Flurry or ITC (if needed), smoke bomb, and dazing strike.  The daily I use is Whirlwind of Blades for the power boost (doubled) you get when you find yourself surrounded by trash mobs.  For my at wills I like to use sly flourish mostly and duelist flurry with bigger toughies in mobs.

Passive Powers:  I always use Invisible Infiltrator, and Infiltrator’s Action.  More on these later.

I’ll cover all of this in more detail in the “Tactics” section.

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Gear:

So, I’ve spent some time working on my gear, enchantments, artifacts, weapons, mounts, and companions.  If you are starting out, you won’t have all of this.  It’s okay, because you can still do a lot of damage with this build.  Don’t think you have to be BIS to make it work.

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You need a vorpal weapon enchantment because that extra 50% crit severity is HUGE.  You don’t really need to upgrade it past perfect because you get the 50% at that level.  But, if you do upgrade it, go all the way to transcendent.  The bonus you get from pure isn’t nearly as consistent as it is from transcendent.  The armor enchantment I use is a soul forged enchantment.  That keeps you alive if you make a mistake and get one shot killed, or if your tank loses agro and you suddenly become the target.  With high Lifesteal and high damage, you often find yourself near the top of the healing and damage chart and this leads to drawing agro, even if you are a TR.  This happens regularly, but not often, so just be prepared.

So, the new Shadewalker’s weapons are currently BIS.  Their increase in damage alone means they are head and shoulders above the rest.  However, the grind is seriously grindey.  Seriously.  Grindey.  Seriously.  So, don’t be in a super hurry to get them, unless you are just a masochist.  Like me.  🙂  Until then, get the twisted set.  They are much easier to get and upgrade.  And, they work well, because you hit a lot more than you get hit (you hope).

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The Artifact Weapon powers you want are the duelist flurry one for your main hand (+8% DF damage), and the Infiltrator’s Action one for your offhand (+5% more damage while Infiltrator’s Action is in effect).  The bonus for the offhand I usually chose is the action points, but you can choose whatever floats your boat.

The artifact set bonus that is the best for TRs right now is the Orcus set.  It fits nicely with this build as an overall % damage boost, but coupled with life steal as you take down bosses, you really notice an increase in damage.  If you are starting out, I probably wouldn’t go with lostmauth at this point.  I’d get a greater dexterity belt and grab the necklace and belt that helped out my stats that I need the most.  Before I got the Orcus set, after the Lostmauth nerf, I switched to a dexterity belt and saw an increase in my overall DPS.

The artifacts I chose are Sigil of the Controller (power and crit), Orcus Wand Shard (for the set bonus), Heart of the Blue Dragon (Crit, Recovery, and Combat Advantage) and Wheel of Elements (my active set for the 30% damage bonus).  If you need more Armor Penetration, swap out the Heart of the Blue Dragon for the Lantern of Revelation (Crit, Arm Pen, and Combat Advantage).

I do sometimes swap my wheel out for the DC Sigil for the AP gain.  When it tickles my fancy.

Companions

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Let’s talk about bonding runestones.  I’m gonna be really honest here, bonding runestones are very very powerful.  They also take a lot of effort to upgrade 3 of them to rank 12. However, with three rank 12 bonding runestones, and one of your companions being legendary, you get an almost constant uptime (unless your companion dies), of 300% of your companion’s stats.  If you put, as I have done, a +5 Brutal ring on it, you’ll get +12000 power for 10 seconds every 30 seconds.  That’s a lot.  It’s not constant, but when we are looking to maximize our damage over 6 second intervals, it works out pretty well.  Always always upgrade the enchantments on your companion with the bonding runestones first because you will be reaping over 100% of the stats from them with the bondings.  To hell with your gear score.

I use a Fire Archon for my bondings because it has a relatively fast attack (helps with protector’s camaraderie and protector’s friendship- more on that in mounts) and doesn’t die as quickly because it is a ranged attacker.  It also has 3 offensive runestone slots (bondings give power in offensive slots) and two ring slots and a nice active power (increases damage to enemies below 50% health by 7%).  As my 4 other active companions, I take an Earth Archon (+7% damage when you are at full health (works well with life steal), an Air Archon (+6% damage against enemies not at full health, a Wild Hunt Rider (chance when using encounter to get +10% damage), and an Erinyes of Belial (+10% crit severity)  The Wild Hunt Rider procs quite often with encounters that hit a bunch of enemies, like a stealthed dazing strike or smoke bomb.  It procs more than you’d think against single targets, as well, but if I’m in a stronghold running Dragon Flights, I’ll swap out my Earth Archon for a Siege Master (+4% damage or +7% in stronghold) .  The archons also beef up each other’s % increase by a small amount which is nice.

Mounts:

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Okay, so here are the mount powers that I use.  I finally got a legendary mount from my daily VIP key, so don’t give up!!!

Artificer’s Persuasion:  When you use an artifact, your recovery, movement, action point gain, and stamina gain are increased by 10% of your power for 15 seconds

Assassin’s Covenant: You lose 10% of your defense, deflection, and lifesteal, and gain that amount in power.

Protectors Camaraderie:  Increase your Power and Defense 3% each time your companion attacks and it can stack up to 4 times

Gladiator’s Guile: When your stamina is above 75%, move 15% faster.  When below 25%, gain 15% of your strength as stamina gain.

Cavalry’s Warning: When you use a Mount Combat Power, you add 10% to your Power, Recovery, Armor Pen, Critical Strike, Defense, Deflection, Regeneration, and Life Steal.

Now, if you don’t have a legendary mount, that’s okay!  Go with Protector’s friendship instead.

Pick the mount insignias that boost whichever stats you need.  If you don’t need anything, go power power power.

Boons:

Some of these boons depend on what your build needs.  I have an axebeak, for example, so I don’t need to stack armor pen.  Take what is appropriate for your character.

Sharandar:

  • Dark Fey Hunter: +400 Power
  • Fey Precision: +400 Critical Strike
  • Elven Haste: +3% Action Point Gain
  • Elven Tranquility: When struck, you have a chance at healing 20,000 HP
  • Elvish Fury: + 135 Power for 45 Seconds each time you kill something.  Stacks 30 times

The only two that need explanation here are the last two.  Elven Tranquility is so much better because dealing 20,000 extra damage is nothing, but getting 20,000 HP back can really make a difference.  Elvish fury is not going to help much at boss fights, but the only other one I would consider is Fey Thistle because we will be using ITC a lot.  However, after testing, the damage is so ridiculously miniscule that you are better off with Elvish Fury.

Dread Ring:

  • Reliquary Keeper’s Strength: +250 Power, +250 Movement
  • Evoker’s Thirst: +400 Lifesteal
  • Illusion Shimmer:  +3% Deflect
  • Enraged Regrowth: When Struck, you have a chance as healing 20,000HP and +4000 Defense
  • Rampaging Madness: Gain as stack each time you do damage.  At 50 stacks get +4000 Power, lifesteal, and regeneration for 10 seconds

If you need the armor penetration, take Forbidden Piercing instead of Illusion Shimmer.  Pick Enraged Regrowth for the same reason you picked Elven Tranquility.  Some people like to pick Endless Consumption for the final boon instead of Rampaging madness, but I tried this and honestly didn’t notice a difference.  If someone out there disagrees, feel free to comment and let me know why.  But, until then, I’ll always pick Rampaging Madness.

Icewind Dale

  • Encroaching Tactics:  +400 Combat Advantage
  • Appreciation of Warmth: +400 incoming healing
  • Sleet Skills: +2% Critical Severity
  • Cool Resolve: Gain up to 2000 power depending on how much Stamina you have left
  • Winter’s Bounty:  Chance to get +10% Action Points when killing a target

Cool Resolve is better than Cold Shoulder because reducing the damage of a hit by 2000 is so tiny compared to most of the hits you are going to take and, since I dodge a lot, I get more use out of the extra power.  Winter’s bounty procs fairly frequently for me and, although I do get a bonus if my action points aren’t at full because of the Back Alley Tactics feat (+25% extra damage), I’m even happier to pop that daily and get a much higher buff to my damage from everything else.

Tyranny of Dragons

  • Dragon’s Claws: +400 Power
  • Dragon’s Gaze: +400 Critical Strike
  • Draconic Armorbreaker: +400 Armor Penetration
  • Dragon’s Greed:  +400 Lifesteal
  • Dragon’s Fury (1): +5% Critical Severity
  • Dragon’s Thirst (2): +4% Lifesteal

I picked Draconic Armorbreaker because I needed it more than the defense.  If you have plenty of armor pen, grab the defense.  For the final boon(s), The Crit Severity is great for this build, but put one point in Lifesteal first because the bonus from the lifesteal will help you more initially than the extra 5% Crit Severity.  You’ll get more Crit Severity than that from a potion.

Elemental Evil

  • Wave of Force: +300 Power, +2000 HP
  • Earth’s Renewal: +400 Regeneration, +2000 HP
  • Searing Aggression: +400 Critical Strike, +2000 HP
  • Wall of Wind: When taking damage, a chance to heal 24,000HP and Recovery increased by 1000 for 10 seconds.

I picked the Earth’s Renewal because having some Regeneration is nice to heal up in between fights and I find it more useful than the tiny amount of life steal severity with the other boon.  I chose Wall of Wind over the Critical Strike boon because I honestly don’t really need any more Crit, and the Recovery is nice (even though it doesn’t really proc very often.  You can choose whichever for the final boon.  None of them are really that great.

Underdark

  • Primordial Might: +400 Power and +1600 HP
  • Primordial Focus:  +400 Critical Strike and +1600 HP
  • Drow Ambush Tactics: +10% Combat Advantage damage bonus
  • Dwarven Stamina: +5% Stamina gain
  • Abyssal Strikes: +10% Damage verses demons

A lot of people like the sound of the Demon Slayer final boon, but what the “lesser demons” actually are I haven’t been able to confirm other than the really teeny ones that you kill in a hit or two anyway and I’d rather just have a flat 10% damage increase that I can use on the really big ones.

Maze Engine

  •  Abyssal Regeneration: +400 incoming healing bonus
  •  Demonic Influence: +400 Combat Advantage bonus
  •  Demonic Swiftness: +3% action point gain
  •  Baphomet’s Might: When striking a foe, you have  achance at gaining +2000 Critical Strike for 6 seconds

Not much to say about this one, except generally, it seems to me that the incoming healing bonuses seem to be a lot better than the life steal severity.  If you are hitting for 50,000 and get an extra 10%, meh.  But, the incoming healing bonus affects all sources of healing, so it just seems a lot better to me.

Storm King’s Thunder

  • Cold Hearted:  +2% Life steal severity and +1000 HP
  •  Survival Instincts: +400 incoming healing bonus, +2% Everfrost Resistance
  •  Chill Determination: + up to 2000 recovery depending on how much stamina you have missing
  •  Glacial Strength: +3200 HP and +2% Everfrost Resistance
  •  Chill of Winter:  When striking a foe, a chance to gain a chill stack, at 50 you deal 10,000 damage.  (woopty woo)

Really, most of these are meh.  If you have something that you like more than what I put up, knock yourself out.  I don’t pick the stamina gain stuff, for the most part, because several boons give me bonuses based on missing stamina, but I don’t feel especially strong about it either way.  The last boon here is particularly useless, so pick whichever you like.  I might change it to Frozen Reflection, but whatever.

Now for the play:

We are going to play a game called “let’s count the damage bonus!”

For this example, I’m going to assume a starting power of 30,000 and a critical strike of 90%.

So you just landed at Lostmauth and he’s especially hungry today (he’s always talking about meals), and no one has the guts to tell him that his triglycerides are dangerously high and that his diet may explain his murderous heartburn, but that’s beside the point.  You have my build and equipment and you are there for a euthanasia.  You first throw a dagger at him to get your companion to start attacking and stacking up Protector’s Friendship and Camaraderie, as well as procing the bonding runestones.  Your companion has a power of 5500 not including the +5 brutal ring he’s sporting.  You also have a +5 Brutal on your TR, so, instantly your power shoots up by 32,500 making it 62,500.  You pop your wheel of elements first and take the fire element (+30% damage), and when you do this, your Recovery, Movement, Action Point Gain, and Stamina Gain go up by 6,250.  You stealth and then Dazing Strike Lostmauth which procs Shadow of Demise.  In addition you hit with double your power (Shadowborn feat), a damage bonus of +6% (cunning Ambusher), +6%(endless assault), +7%(earth archon), +6% (air Archon), +4% (Siege Master) +30% (wheel of fire) = +69% damage, and you crit because of stealth.  Then you pop Lurker’s Assault, which gives you automatic Combat Advantage (infiltrator’s Action) and get your stealth back instantly (Invisible Infiltrator), so you stealth again and hit him with your Lashing Blade.  Now, this is gonna get a little complicated, but stay with me here.

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Primer on Combat Advantage:  You can find the discussion on this since the changes here.  Thanks again @thefabricant, where ever you are, I will toast you whenever playing this game.  Anyway, damage from combat advantage used to be out of site with the various companions that gave you combat advantage bonuses because they multiplied and it was crazy.  But, even though it’s been brought more in line, you still get quite a big bonus from it.

Damage now is calculated by the equation:  Total Damage = Base Damage*(1+0.15+Crit Severity+Attribute Bonus+Companions+Stat Bonus+0.1(0.15+Attribute Bonus+Stat Bonuses+Companions)).  Now, with potions, boons, vorpal enchantment, and companion, my crit severity runs about 150%.  For this exercise, let’s assume lashing blade’s base damage is 20,000, we have a charisma of 15, and a combat advantage bonus of 9%.

Total Damage (critical strike) with Combat Advantage= 20,000 *(1+.15+1.5+.05+0+.09 +.01(0.15+.05+.09+0)) = 20,000 (2.79 + .1(.29)) = 20,000 * 2.82 = 56,400 + 5% from offhand weapon artifact power = 59,220

Total Damage (Critical Strike) without Combat advantage = 20,000 * (1+ 1.5) = 50,000.

That’s about 20% more damage on every hit, and, by the time your Infiltrator’s Action wears off, you are ready to pop another daily, so it stays up pretty much all the time.

Now back to Lostmauth:  Lurker’s Assault gives you +30% damage and invisible infiltrator gives you another 20% damage.  That’s +50%.  Then you can immediately add +7%(earth archon) and +6% (air archon) +4% (siege master), +5% (offhand weapon power) and +6% (endless assault).  So we are up to +78%.  You now add 25% for Back Alley Tactics and +5% for vicious pursuit which brings you to 108% more damage.  Yup, the wheel of elements is still going, so that’s another 30% which brings you to +138%.  This is flat damage increase, not just when you crit.  Add to that +100% power rating from Shadowborn (110% if you pop ITC).  You also automatically crit from stealth and with 150% crit severity on top of all of that, we are dealing in some major pain with lashing blade.  Then you start in with your duelist flurry.  Your life steal insures that you still are getting the damage boost from your Earth Elemental.  Six seconds after the first Dazing Strike, your Shadows of Demise procs.  That’s 50% of all the damage you just did as piercing damage.  Your stealth will come back after one run with duelist flurry, and you can pop stealth again for another increase in damage like lashing blade, and hit him with another Dazing Strike. This time, although you haven’t had time to get your Lashing Blade back, you are getting bleed ticks from your Duellist Flurry.

By myself, hitting on all cylinders (without super party buffs), Shadow of Demise will proc for 1.5 million damage.  That means I’m dealing over 3 million damage in six seconds before SoD.  That’s 4.5 million in 6 seconds.  Take that people who don’t believe TRs have burst damage!

Don’t forget about Impossible to Catch!  Once you commit with your lashing blade, you don’t want any interruptions until Shadow of Demise procs.   Once Lostmauth’s health gets below 70%, we add another 25% damage from last moments and another +25% when he gets down to 30%.  Also, by the time he is down to 50% health we are getting another +10% from the Orcus set which will just get more powerful as Lostmauth’s health dwindle.  So, after he comes back from throwing rocks at you, you can repeat the whole cycle for even more damage.  This also adds damage to all of your bleed ticks you are getting from duelist flurry.  By the end of the battle, my bleed ticks are hitting for over 400,000 a tick.  We’re talking over 200% damage bonus once he’s below 30%.  If you are lucky enough to run with some buffing characters, get ready to proc Shadows of Demise for a lot more, but he’ll probably die before you can proc it if he’s down to 30% health.  “Ouch ouch ouch”, says Lostmauth.

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Now, he doesn’t have to worry about triglycerides!  You’re welcome.

Tactics

(Copied from my TR Tactics blog post)

Here are my disclaimers:

1) An awful lot of how the rotation works depends on your style of play.  I have a friend in my guild who play a sabo build that is just as effective in his hands (in most situations DPSwise), as my build.  Sometimes, even more effective!  I tried it and just couldn’t get it to work for me.  Likewise, he tried my build, and it just didn’t suit him.  There is more than one right way to do this, and another rotation may work better.  There are better players than me out there!

2) It’s practically impossible to put every scenario down here.  This is a starting point, and when you work out something that is better, let me know!

3) It’s easy to get distracted by going for that top paingiver position at the end of a run.  Try to keep in mind that it doesn’t really matter if you are the top damage dealer, if the run fails.  And, just because you are the top damage dealer, doesn’t mean you have done your best to help the group.

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“Thank God… Paingiver again!”

Situation 1, Close together mob:  This is like the zombies in CN.  I drop ITC on this and run Dazing Strike, Smoke Bomb, and Lashing Blade for my encounters.  I sometimes run with the wheel, but mostly, the DC Sigil.  Running into this one, you have a bunch of zombies to deal with.  Assuming your daily is up, I usually use cloud of Steel or a doohickey to proc my bondings and brutality rings.  As I get into range, I’ll stealth, jump in the middle, and use Whirlwind of blades (super 12 second power buff) I then immediately move to the most advantageous position to hit the biggest number of monsters with my dazing strike.  Then, I’ll use smokebomb. If I have the DC Sigil, I’ll pop it (proccing Artificer’s persuasion giving me tons of recovery and other stuff from my buffed power for 10 seconds), hit one zombie with lashing blade (picking one with more health), and hit another with sly flourish.  By the end, my dazing strike and stealth are back and I can stealth> dazing strike any that are left, but most of the time they are gone.

The advantage of this rotation is that it is fast.  If you are competing with CWs and GWFs, it needs to be fast for you to not get left in the dust.  You want to use it on fresh groups to maximize your damage, so if you see your CW or GWF already dropping the hammer on one group, you are better off running to the next.  But, be careful, because if you aren’t careful, you’ll become a zombie snack.  Not to mention, you’ll be the guy who runs ahead of everyone and gets killed.  No one likes that guy.  If you find yourself dying a lot, swap out lashing blade for ITC.  It can still be useful.  Really.  In that case, I would pop ITC before stealth>whirlwind, and proc the buff on the new weapons (+10% more damage) as well as press the advantage (+10% more power).  ITC should last long enough for you to get through smoke bomb, where your primary defense against the mob will be control.

If you have been damaging a mob and you get your daily back, don’t pop whirlwind just to finish it off.  The advantage that whirlwind gives you is the power buff which lasts for 12 seconds.  If you kill everything with WW, you don’t have any enemies to hit with the power buff.  Just save it for the next group.

Also, it should be noted that you could swap Lashing Blade for Blade Flurry or maybe Wicked Reminder, and maybe get a little more DPS against these mobs, but I like to have LB for that one big focused attack you can use when, as in the case of Castle Never, a more powerful enemy shows up.  That way you can be sure to proc Shadows of Demise against it.  Also, I hate hate hate changing out powers in the middle of a fight.

Senario 2 Powerful Mobs: This is like the Giants on your way up the mountain on Fand Breaker Island.  I run the exact same setup as Scenario 1, except I always run the wheels of elements for the extra DPS.  Depending on the ability of the tank you are with, you may have to slot ITC instead of Lashing Blade.  Those Giants hit hard!  The reason I take LB out instead of Dazing Strike is that often, DS will hit more than one Giant and the cool down is roughly half the time of LB.

The biggest disadvantage we have in out DPS verses other classes is situations like this.  Having to deal with powerful mobs that aren’t in range makes you want to go full single target, but it can kill you if you ignore the mobs or other giants.  So, we gotta pick.  I picked the mob set up because I find it is more helpful for the party to have that extra bit of stun our SB and DS gives.  If the rest of the party is mob/control damage heavy, I’d be tempted to go full single target DPS.  You probably won’t be able to keep up with them on your DPS in either case, but if your goal is to compete in DPS, you should try to stay as close as you can and make up the difference at the bosses where this build shines.  That being said, the approach to FBI is one of those places where it can be very good  for the whole party to switch to a support role/ DPS.  More on that later.

Scenario 3, Spread out Mobs:  If what you are facing is smaller, less powerful groups that are spread out, I’d be tempted to go with blade flurry/smoke bomb/dazing strike.  Blade flurry comes back fast, so when one mob is dead, you can very quickly start damaging the next.  In this situation, it is very important to have a high critical chance, because you’ll be moving fast and your stealth won’t be able to catch up before you are onto your next group.  I’d save my stealth for the dazing strike attacks so you can maximize your group damage.

Scenario 4, Bosses:  This is where this build can perform very well.  I always slot dazing strike, and Lashing Blade.  If I am fighting a boss with tons of knock downs or AOEs (Lostmauth or MSVA for example), I will slot ITC.  You can use it effectively to proc the new weapon bonus, and the Press the Advantage power buff, on top of the automatic deflect and control resist.  In the case of MSVA, usually your clerics have your cool downs so low that you can keep it up most of the time.  That comes in especially handy with those damn AOEs that people don’t bother to leave the group for when they are targeted.

All other bosses, I’ll slot either smoke bomb or wicked reminder.  I generally prefer smoke bomb because it isn’t as disruptive to my duellist flurries in my rotation.  Remember that most of our damage on bosses comes from duellist flurry.  If I’m sacrificing DFs for WRs, I’m probably not maximizing my DPS.

For my daily, I’ll use Lurker’s Assault unless there are adds around, then it’s Whirlwind.

I proc bondings and brutality rings with a doohickey, pop my wheel of elements, run in, sly flourish, smoke bomb (or ITC) > stealth > Dazing Strike > Lurker’s Assault > Lashing blade > duellist flurry >stealth >dazing strike , etc.

If your stealth isn’t back quite yet, I’d do another round of sly flourish.

If your daily comes back and you have only 10 seconds left on your wheel cooldown, I’d wait for it to maximize the burst.

I would use ITC as much as possible if it is slotted, and worry mainly about fitting it seamlessly into my rotation in between powers and worry less about trying to pop it only when the boss looks like he’s about to squash you.

If my daily isn’t up, I run through a little different rotation: sly flourish > smoke bomb (or ITC) > stealth > lashing blade > dazing strike > duellist flurry.  The reason I switch up lashing blade for dazing strike is because, even at 95% crit, there is a chance you won’t crit with that next attack without stealth, so you want to be sure to crit with your strongest attack.  You get the advantage of the sly flourish debuff, the ticks off of smoke bomb count towards your Shadows of Demise, and you can get some good damage in, even without your daily.

If you are fortunate enough to have a legendary mount and the Cavalry’s warning mount insignia power, I wouldn’t pop it at the same time as your wheel.  I pop it when my wheel cooldown gets half way.  That way, I have my buffs going at different times and don’t put all my eggs in one basket in case of interruption.

Here is a problem I run into occasionally at Orcus and against the Demogorgan:  I’m doing a ton of damage and, because of life steal, I’m healing a lot.  Suddenly, I agro the boss.   It’s not good in any case, but with Demo, you have a chance to survive if it’s at the very end.  Not so much, with Orcus.  If he hits you, you fall.  Both will turn towards you before they wack you, so you have a chance, if you are watching for it, to dodge out of the way.  With Orcus, you just gotta wait until the tank gets the agro back again., then go to town.  At any rate, dodge becomes your best friend when you become the target.

Scenario 5 Support/DPS: Usually, everyone can handle the mobs.  Nearly every class has something they can do to damage/control mobs.  But, bosses are another matter.  I can carry any group through Lostmauth.  Even if they all die in one hit a piece, I can still carry them.  But, that won’t work for us in all dungeons.  Places like FBI or MSVA require a certain amount of synergy to help everyone (including yourself) to complete the dungeon.  This requires some flexibility.

If the party has a tank that is having a hard time surviving, I slot Courage Breaker to help reduce the damage the boss is doing.  If you have multiple rogues, this can be especially effective.  And, although you are giving up a bit of DPS, you can still do hella damage if you have proper buffers in your group.  I ran a MSVA the other day and procced Shadows of Demise for over 3 million damage using Courage Breaker.  That means in 6 seconds, I did over 9 million damage.  Not too shabby!

If the party doesn’t quite have the DPS to take the boss down before the party gets killed, take smoke bomb or Lashing Blade out and replace it with Wicked Reminder.  That helps everyone’s DPS.  This is also particularly useful against bosses with tons of HP, or very powerful mobs, like the approach to FBI.

Check out my Blog post HERE for how to use Whirlwind of Blades to Power Stack your Power.

Check out my Blog post HERE for more detailed information on Lurker’s Assault Vs. Whirlwind of Blades, how they work and which is better in what situation.

Here is my Blog post about how the recent change to Impossible To Catch has affected my rotations and powers.

 

Here is the ACT from a random Lostmauth:

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That’s it!  My build here isn’t perfect and my writing skills are even less desirable.  There is more than one way to build a great TR (I know, I know, even now).  I will strive to keep this updated.  Please share and feel free to comment with suggestions or improvements I can make!  And, if you didn’t know, my blog is HERE.  Feel free to visit, ask questions, and share with all your friends and enemies.

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  • Nocticula Di'Vir
    October 26, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Hello! I was checking out your build looks interesting.I have a question you put combat powers 15-35 and then you have 65-70. I might be wrong but you skipped 40-60 you 15-35 put down twice.

  • Daniel
    October 26, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    That gear set that ur using its better that use all DF set?

    Ty and sorry foto my bad english!

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 26, 2016 at 9:37 pm

      I find the Dusk armor bonus to be better than the DF bonus, for sure. After the Dusk bonus, I look for stats that I need, mainly. But, feel free to mix and match as you need to, to get the stats you need.

  • Ross
    October 27, 2016 at 12:03 am

    Nice guide, i Judy have to ask u.. im playing in PS4, do u know what gear i should get be cause we dont have that elemental chest for example.

    Thx for your time!

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 27, 2016 at 2:43 am

      I’m not sure what has been released on PS4. Take a look at the stats that you need and pick one that fits. I’d take a look at the stronghold gear. Maybe Dusk? If they don’t provide the exact stats I needed, I’d take a look at switching out some of the other pieces.
      Sorry I couldn’t be more help!

    • Scottie
      October 29, 2016 at 4:15 pm

      I run 3 pieces of dusk with drowcraft boots. 1x ring rising power +4, 1x gemmed adaminte ring of piercing, all lostmauth. Ive only been playing for 2 months but with this gear, i do fairly well. Really try to get the orcus set.

      • Profile photo of Tennessee
        October 29, 2016 at 4:35 pm

        Looks like you have a good start! I had better luck going with a greater belt of dexterity and choosing neck and artifacts that helped my stats, rather than sticking with lostmauth after the nerf. I don’t play playstation, and don’t know anything about your build, but that might be something to look into, but Lostmauth might be better if you aren’t quite geared up, yet. Good Luck!

  • Wilfrido stokolmitus
    October 27, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    Hello!

    Can u upload pictures of how ur stats looks? I think visual its most helpfull.

    Ty and congrats, this guise looks awsome!! Love the TR

  • Joe
    October 27, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    Hi, you didn’t really explain the rotations, or the use of stealth. Unless I missed it. For mobs do you open with ITC from stealth? Apologies if this is a dumb question.

  • Igi
    October 28, 2016 at 10:49 am

    From where do you get so much AP gain?
    Yours is at 1449 or so.
    Mine is only 375.
    Also your Base armor pen is very low 2.5 k, mine is at 7k.
    It seems that you rely on buffed stats and companion not dying?

    You didn’t take dying breath, it give 25% crit severity when a mob dies, why not?
    You took black alley tactics, it gives 25% more dmg when AP is empty, AP is empty afer using a daily but it refill very fast with my build at least.

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 28, 2016 at 10:56 pm

      Hi,
      I have the +100 Action Point Gain reinforcement kits on my necklace, belt, and 2 rings. I also have +399 Action Point Gain on my offhand. I took the 2 boons that give me 3% action point gain, and I also have about a 4000 recovery which gives me an additional 9.2%. I do rely on buffed stats, but since I use the fire archon, even if he dies, he pops back up in time to proc the bondings again before the 20 seconds that the bondings are active goes away. I didn’t take dying breath because I think the flat damage bonus and shadowborn feats are more important for this build. This build specializes in being a boss killer, that means I sacrifice a bit on mob damage to increase my damage against single target bosses. AP goes up at a pretty good clip with my build, but the +25% bonus immediately after popping my daily is still very advantageous because SoD procs in 6 seconds. Maximizing that six second window means using Back Alley Tactics. Thanks for your questions, if you have any others, let me know.

  • Steve
    October 28, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    Curious about your enchantments (azures, radiants, darks) and what reinforcement kits you use. Thanks and nice guide.

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 28, 2016 at 10:58 pm

      I use mostly brutals in my offensive slots with, I think, 3 Radiants on my character. In my defensive slots, I use Radiants. However, on my companion with the bondings, I use all brutals and Darks in my defensive slots (for lifesteal).

      For my reinforcement kits, I use 2 crit kits and 2 arm pen kits (I was a little low), and I use the Action point kits on the jewelry, and the frost resist kits on my underwear. But, use whatever kits you need for the stats you need. Hope that helps!

  • Andelson
    October 28, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    Hi, what defense and offense enchantments are u using? Crit and lifesteel?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 28, 2016 at 10:58 pm

      I use mostly brutals in my offensive slots with, I think, 3 Radiants on my character. In my defensive slots, I use Radiants. However, on my companion with the bondings, I use all brutals and Darks in my defensive slots (for lifesteal). Hope that helps!

  • Lilian goose
    October 28, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    Hello!!

    Can u pls tell me ir boots and chest stats? Coz im playing in PS4 and we dont have those elemental pices! Ty so much!!

    Cya..

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 28, 2016 at 11:01 pm

      Sure! The chest piece has about 21,000 HPs, 1000 power, 1500 recovery, and 650 defense. The boots have about 10,000 HP, 600 power, 900 crit, and 400 defense.

  • scooter
    October 29, 2016 at 1:53 am

    Very good build. I have 46362728282992 questions i could ask but ill ask 1. How many points do u have to spend on abilities. It seems you have 80+. If i were to playtest this and only have 74 points for my powers, witch would u recommend takes presedence over the others. Im really big on wicked reminder…..

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 29, 2016 at 2:34 am

      I have 94, I think? Anyway, if I remember correctly, that means you have 4 points to spend to bring up 4 powers to level 4. If that’s correct, I’d put 1 in invisible infiltrator, 1 in lurker’s assault, 1 in duelist flurry, and 1 in your favorite encounter, Wicked Reminder! After that, I’d fill out the powers that you find yourself using the most. But, I’d take lurker’s and Invisible Infiltrator first as those will give you the biggest boost in damage when you use them.

  • scooter
    October 29, 2016 at 1:57 am

    I lied. 2 questions. On your rotations wouldnt more damage come from a few sly flourishs and THAN lashing blade to break stealth for my crit, then to pop stealth immidiatly during your lurkers assault?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 29, 2016 at 2:41 am

      If I’m reading you right, you mean to get the 5% debuff from Sly Flourish and finish the first stealth off with Lashing Blade. The problem is shadowborn. The minute you pop your stealth, the very next attack gets hit with double your power. If you use it on sly flourish, you are wasting it. It might be better to hit 4 times with sly flourish >stealth >dazing strike >Lurker’s Assault> stealth >Lashing blade. That might give you the 5% extra damage from sly flourish. Or, alternatively, 4x sly Flourish >stealth >Wicked Reminder >Lurker’s Assault >stealth >Lashing Blade >WR >WR >Duelist Flurry. There’s more than one good way to do it, but to maximize your buff from the Shadowborn Feat, you need to make sure the next attack from stealth is a powerful one.

  • Matrim Cauthon@NyteRyder1
    October 29, 2016 at 2:25 am

    You list Sly Flourish’s Broken Armor as increasing damage by 10%, but Broken armor is only 5%.

  • Tonny
    October 29, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    Hi, what about the elemental evil boons?

    – wave of force
    – heart of stone
    – searing aggression
    – gale of retribution

    Thats correct? Or what are u using?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      October 30, 2016 at 2:41 am

      Whoops! I’ll add it in a few. Don’t know how I missed it. I took Earth’s renewal because that tiny amount of life steal severity isn’t even going to be felt, but a little regeneration is kinda nice to heal up in between fights. The capstones are pretty worthless here, but I took Wall of Wind just because I didn’t really need anymore crit, and 1000 recovery is nice for those encounter cooldowns and AP gain. Thanks for letting me know!

  • Traall
    November 3, 2016 at 2:17 am

    I am fairly new to the game, just wondering how do you get the Elemental Dragonflight/Drowcraft Gear?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      November 3, 2016 at 12:02 pm

      Some of my armor isn’t available on PS4, yet. Here are my armor stats to help you out, but I’d caution that I move a lot of armor around depending on what stats I need. You may not need the stats I need out of my armor and I may not stats you need. But here it is: The chest piece has about 21,000 HPs, 1000 power, 1500 recovery, and 650 defense. The boots have about 10,000 HP, 600 power, 900 crit, and 400 defense.

      Hope this helps, and good luck!

      • Traall
        November 4, 2016 at 12:46 am

        Oh okay thank you, Well I’m on the Xbox One and I have seen people with the Elemental Dragonflight/Drowcraft so I am like 90% sure its available. But how excatly do you go about obtaining it?

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          November 4, 2016 at 1:03 am

          The Dragonflight you have to get from your guild’s stronghold once the marketplace has reached a certain level. The Drowcraft comes from the Underdark Campaign. You can make both “elemental” for a very modest stat gain, by working your ass off on your black ice profession. Once you get it to level 5, you can do it. Get ready to farm black ice. No one can do it for you, either, because once you “elementalize” it, it becomes bound to you. So, meh, I’d wait until I had everything else before I beat my head against that wall.

      • November 4, 2016 at 1:06 am

        PS4 just went to Mod 10 last week and all of the armor you’re using is available on it. I just checked in the collections for everything and found all of it.

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          November 4, 2016 at 1:15 am

          Great!!! Good to know, thanks! Honestly, I think everyone is too worried about specific pieces of armor. Put the armor that gives you the stats you need, and look at the pieces that give you the best set bonuses. That’s what I do, and I change it up fairly regularly.

  • Ayasuke
    November 3, 2016 at 2:52 am

    This guide is Ayasuke approved. You saved me the trouble of publishing my own. (also Broken Armor is 10%, the tooltip says 5% but ACT shows 10%)

  • Matrim Cauthon@NyteRyder1
    November 3, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    On your mount powers you have Protector’s Friendship/Camaraderie. Why not two Protector’s Camaraderie? Do two Camaraderies not stack with each other, but a Friendship and a Camaraderie do? Thanks!

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      November 3, 2016 at 5:06 pm

      They do stack, but the second one of the same thing stacks for far less than the first one. So, if you have two Protector’s Camaraderies, you will be getting significantly less stats than if you have a Protectors Friendship instead of the second Camaraderie. Hope that helps!

  • Dryzz
    November 6, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    Hello, thank you for the nice guide. You mention getting crit chance to 90%. My crit strike is just over 13k, bit my crit chance is about 33%. How does a TR with this build get 90% crit chance when our crit strike doesn’t seem to give the same amount of crit chance as a GWF for example? Thanks!!

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      November 6, 2016 at 2:32 pm

      Well, mostly, you need bonding runestones on your companion to reach that. GWFs do, too. For example, my pet has a bit over 4000 Critical strike. My bondings make it add over 12,000 to my critical strike stat (mine are rank 12, I admit). There are also various boons that give you critical strike. In addition, you have a number of insignias for your mounts that can add to the stat. There are also a number of potions and event and stronghold food to beef it up further. Also, remember to always put a point in Dexterity when you can. If all else fails, and you have the right mount, you can choose an additional 2000 in crit from your active mount power. If you don’t have the high level bonding runestones yet, I might aim to get 75% crit, and then beef up my power as much as I can. All this is, of course, after you have reached 60% resistance ignored through your armor penetration. Hope this helps!

      • Dryzz
        November 7, 2016 at 9:42 pm

        I just noticed what i was doing wrong. On tje character sheet i was looking at critical strike on the top of the page, under rating. Where it shows the crit strike ‘contributing to 33% crit chance’. I wasnt looking at the bottom. Out of combat im at 76% crit chance at 58.6 resistance ignored and 13k power. My pet has two 10 bondings and one 9, i habe the 2k crit mount buff but none of my azures are above 10. I still need to upgrade my main and offhand to unlock two more enchantment slots.

        Now your numbers seem to be much more attainable. Thank you very much.

  • November 8, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    This is the rotation I’ve come up with for mobs:

    All encounters start with Sly Flourish x1 just to get my companion to aggro.

    With a Daily:
    Stealth > Sly Flourish x3 > Whirling Blades > Artifact > Sly Flourish x2 > Dazing Strike > Duelist’s Flurry x1 full rotation > Smoke Bomb > Duelist’s Flurry x1 full rotation

    Without a Daily (What I use most as I don’t like using Dailies on mobs if I don’t have to):
    Stealth > Sly Flourish x3 > Dazing Strike > Sly Flourish x4 > Smoke Bomb > Duelist’s Flurry x1 full rotation > Back to Stealth

    For bosses (in a group or without adds):

    With a Daily:
    Stealth > Sly Flourish x3 > Lurker’s Assault > Artifact > Sly Flourish x2 > Lashing Blade > Duelist’s Flurry x1 full rotation > Smoke Bomb > Duelist’s Flurry x1 full rotation

    Without a Daily:
    Stealth > Sly Flourish x3 > Lashing Blade > Duelist’s Flurry x1 full rotation > Smoke Bomb > Duelist’s Flurry x1 full rotation

    Impossible to Catch isn’t really part of my rotation because I can activate it at any time mostly. If I’m fighting mobs, I just hit it every time it becomes available. If I’m fighting a powerful mob or a boss (anything with a powerful strike), I only hit it when the floor turns red. This allows me to stay in close during powerful strikes/AoE strikes and keep hitting.

    I find that this rotation will keep the things I’m fighting mostly dazed and unable to hit me (unless they’re immune).

    What do you think?

    Thanks for the build. It’s awesome!

    • November 8, 2016 at 4:12 pm

      Oh and for a boss with adds when I’m alone, I just swap Lurker’s Assault for Whirlwind of Blades. That’s what I meant up there, not Whirling Blades.

      • Profile photo of Tennessee
        November 9, 2016 at 3:30 pm

        I’d keep them both on my daily bar. That way, if you get your daily up and all the adds happen to be dead, you can still pop LA and do some really good damage!

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      November 9, 2016 at 3:27 pm

      Thank you for the compliment! I’d say you are giving up an awful lot of DPS by using stealth then sly flourish because the shadowborn feat will only proc on your first attack from stealth. Also, since you aren’t getting a full rotation of sly flourish on the monster, you aren’t giving him the extra 10% bonus damage that it can give. If you want to use sly flourish, I’d attack him with a full rotation of Sly Flourish and THEN stealth. That’d work on bosses. For mobs, I’d forget the first hits from Sly and go straight from stealth to Whirlwind. Whirlwind locks the added power from your shadowborn feat for the full 10 seconds that whirlwind procs. It’s be really good if you popped your artifact after whirlwind if you have artificer’s persuation from your mounts. Hope this helps, and good luck!!

  • AltonBarnes
    November 15, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    Hi,
    thanks for that legendary guide!
    What I dont understand is, you run around with only 2.5k arpen and the other 4k comes from your bondings(pet)?
    The Talisman of the loyal avenger did`nt exist on ps4, sadly.

  • Mark
    November 15, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    How much dps do you typically have on a cn run? I ran one last night and put out 65mil in damage. No where near the gwf that had 120mil.

  • Igi
    November 16, 2016 at 1:11 am

    ITC is nerfed.
    It forces your at Wills to pause while casting.
    You can’t cast it a’s fluid as before.
    It resets combo counters, it sits in queque if pressed right after a long casting encounter or at will.
    Also you can’t cast ITC during flurry.

    So will this ITC nerf affect this build or play style?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      November 16, 2016 at 1:53 am

      Yeah, I’m trying out a few alterations to my feats and rotation. Check out my latest blog post at http://www.nwohackandslash.wordpress.com

      • Scottie
        November 18, 2016 at 11:44 pm

        Would showdow strike or whatever it is that refills stealth be a decent replacement for ITC since i only am currently at 53% crit? It would allow for more stealth, witch in turn brings more shadows of demise and more 100% crit time….yay or nay.

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          November 24, 2016 at 2:52 am

          I personally wouldn’t go with shadow strike. The reason being, even with a 53% crit chance, I’d rather have an extra attack in there. Yeah, you don’t get an extra stealth, but I’m not sure the bonuses from that would more than equal out that extra attack at 53% crit. I don’t have any hard numbers, but that’s my instinct.

  • Mafia
    November 17, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    If i understood why you say if have much crit chance and crit severity you need more crit strike than power and the picture you post you have like 30k power and 11,900 crit ? I have orcus set and i have 20k power and 12k crit with 97% crit severity + vorpal rank 11 and the math equation i dont undertand lol and sorry about my english

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      November 17, 2016 at 7:14 pm

      At BIS, I recommend 80-90% crit and to stack power as high as you can get it. A lot of my crit comes from bondings on my companion. If you are still trying to get there, I’d recommend a 2:1 ratio of power to crit. You’ll still be able to take advantage from your crit severity because of stealth.

  • Lorne Malvo
    November 20, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    Hi
    What do you think about Paranoid Delusion ? I’m poor and i just can’t buy Erinye.
    I’m fresh 70, i run with 2 green archon, 1 blue fire archon (purple soon) , green blink dog and intelect devourer, but i have this Paranoid Delusion in my bank.

    Sorry for my english

    • Mariano Sierra
      November 23, 2016 at 3:00 pm

      i recommend damage companion fire,air,earth,siege master,repentant dragon cultist or wild hunt rider

      • Profile photo of Tennessee
        November 28, 2016 at 6:16 pm

        I’d say that’s good advice. I might also throw in a con man for the group debuff, if you run with parties. Erienes of Baliel is a good choice. Probably better than Seige master depending on you crit or if you are in stronghold.

        • Lorne Malvo
          November 28, 2016 at 6:21 pm

          Erinye is not an option for me, not now, no money xD even with -40%
          I replace my intelect devourer for dragon cultist.
          Blink dog OFF/ wild hunt rider ON soon, i guess

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 10, 2016 at 5:23 am

      That’d be okay. I’d be tempted to get a con artist. They have a great debuff, but start at common, so there is a bunch of upgrading to do… What about a Seige master? You’d have to buy it, but has a pretty good active power. The blink dog and intellect devourer aren’t doing much for you. I might try a dancing sword instead. Hope this helps!

  • November 22, 2016 at 4:15 am

    So I screwed my TR and rolled 18(+2)/13/13, is there any way to save it with the level up stats or its dead?

  • James21007
    November 27, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    Hi

    I will try this build and also would like to know do you ever stream because I’m on PS4 and I would not be able to message you

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      November 28, 2016 at 6:12 pm

      I don’t, yet. Maybe I should?

      • James21007
        November 28, 2016 at 7:36 pm

        I would definitely watch also another question about the powers you use you say you use sly flourish a lot but in the picture it has duellist flurry on I kinda got confused sorry if I did not really explain myself very well.

        • Scottie
          November 28, 2016 at 7:44 pm

          I run this build, and run both instead of cloud of steel. I lead with 4x hit from sly flourish for debuff first then go into rotation and use duelists flurry.

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          November 29, 2016 at 6:24 pm

          I use duellist flurry way more than sly flourish. I mainly use sly flourish for the debuff it gives on the 4th hit. The rest of the time, I’m all about the bleed dots.

  • James21007
    November 30, 2016 at 2:33 am

    Just curious what kind of number do you hit when against a boss or mobs?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 2, 2016 at 12:41 am

      Depends on party composition. On my own, with very minimal buffs, I can hit a boss pretty consistently for 1.5 million with SoD, which means I’m hitting for 3 million before SoD procs. Against mobs, it’s harder for me to say. My power jumps to about 230,000 or so by myself with no party using WoB, so my dazing strike and smoke bomb do a lot of damage.

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 2, 2016 at 12:42 am

      With good buffs/debuffs my lashing blade alone can hit for 1.5 million.

  • Mike
    December 3, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    Can you upload a picture of your ability score history, if it’s possible.
    Thank You

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm

      Do you mean my dex, str, char, etc, or power, arm pen, crit, etc?

      • Mike
        December 4, 2016 at 12:40 am

        Yea your Dex,str,char ect, I’d greatly appreciate it

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          December 4, 2016 at 4:34 pm

          I’m out of pocket today, but I can just tell you I always took str and dex when I had the choice. Every time. I’ll try to get a picture up on my build, but it will show str and dex were the only two stats I put my extra points in (besides the times all 5 stats had points added). Hope this helps!

  • Traall
    December 7, 2016 at 2:29 am

    Wouldn’t just having a Dragonflight head and gloves give better stats than the dusk raid? Just wondering why you use that instead. (I know that stats aren’t a huge difference but the Ilvl might help people.

  • Eric Prestel
    December 8, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    So maybe i am missing it…. What enchantment should I be putting into my gear?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 8, 2016 at 11:33 pm

      For the armor enchantment in PVE, I use soul forged, for the weapon, you want a vorpal. In my defense slots, I use vicious (deflect, life steal), in my offense slots, I use brutals (crit, power), and cruel (power, recovery). Hope this helps!

      • Eric Prestel
        January 3, 2017 at 5:28 am

        Anything particular for utility spot?

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          January 3, 2017 at 2:38 pm

          I’ve been using quartermaster enchants. If you have your percentage with them up to at least 10.5%, and hold off opening the bags you get until double enchantment events, you get a TON of rank 6 enchantments. Several stacks. Since my artifact equipment is already upgraded, I have more use for those enchantments. If I were just getting going, I’d probably put dragon hoard enchantments on for the refinement they can provide for artifact equipment.
          Another alternative, if you know someone who’ll trust you with them, you can accumulate the quartermaster bags with far less than the recommended 10.5% as long as you can borrow someone’s higher level quartermasters (enough to get you to 10.5% at least) when you open the bags during double enchantments.

  • Jeremiah
    December 12, 2016 at 4:10 am

    Can you stream or start posting YouTube videos me and ik a lot of other people that would love to see some of your content. I love the tr class and ive been waiting for something educated to pop up. Great work

  • Jeremiah
    December 12, 2016 at 4:21 am

    You said that you had a friend (guild member) that runs a sab build I love your ex build but sab suits me more can you link me with his build or get him to make one please thanks

  • lowratehitman
    December 12, 2016 at 6:51 am

    West TN here, thanks for the build, I am on PS4 and got a SW to 3800 il and have rnk 12 x3 companion rune stones and decided to take the TR plunge and use all the enchantments and such for TR.

  • Nevarah
    December 12, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    Hey @Tennessee i chose the half orc race, meaning i dont get the extra 3 feat points, which leaves me choosing between scoundrel training for the 9% atwills when not being targetted or diciple strength for the 6% damage bonus received from strength? Which should i go for

  • Zio Beppe
    December 14, 2016 at 3:42 am

    Hi Tennessee!
    I really like your guide but I have a question:
    In the Heroic Feats section you said
    “Note: If you aren’t human I’d suggest dropping the 3 points in Lucky Skirmisher and put 2 in Scoundrel Training.”
    Well, correct me if I’m wrong but if you’re playing a non-human character you cannot max-out Scondrel Training in that way, following your instruction,
    just because you haven’t spent enough points in the previous feats.
    Let’s say:
    – 2 points in Action Advantage;
    – 3 points in Weapon Mastery;
    – 3 points in Toughess;
    – 3 points in Cunning Ambusher;
    – 3 points in Endless Assault;
    Here we are. At this point we cannot start spending points in Scoundrel Training because we need to spend at least one more point in one previous feat.
    So, what is your suggestion here?
    Maybe one more point in Action Advantage (3/5)? And use the last two points in Scoundrel Training (2/3)?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 14, 2016 at 4:23 am

      You are correct! I updated it today and made a mistake. Fixed, now. I’d put only one point in Action advantage, Put 2 in Lucky Skirmisher, and 2 in Scoundrel Training. Thanks for the catch!

  • December 15, 2016 at 8:37 am

    Hello. I am just starting to play and was wondering how effective would leveling into this be?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 15, 2016 at 3:51 pm

      Should work fine. Aim for the Lostmauth set until you reach close to BIS. Also, aim for a 2:1 ration power to crit until you get upwards of 80%+, then start stacking power. Good luck!

  • PuffyPigeon
    December 25, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    I was wondering if you could tell me where i can find your two weapons. I can find all the gear but not where to get those.
    Thank you in advance.

  • Traall
    December 27, 2016 at 3:44 am

    The new gear and weapons with the update really did come at a bad time… as I was just starting to farm for dragon flight and twisted set… I feel like I will need it too even have a chance at getting the new relic weapons and gear. I heard they were a grind.. hoping for the best, also should I finish farming for the dragon flight and twisted set or just wait, and how long did it take for you to get your weapons maxed out?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 27, 2016 at 7:41 am

      I would take two dusk pieces, as the set bonus is too good to pass up. The other two depends on the stats you need. DF stuff is pretty good and not a bad choice at all.
      I used to think the twisted set was a grind… Ha! I’d say the twisted set is probably the best weapons for this build apart from the new ones.
      I still don’t have my new ones maxed out. I am one superior mark away from getting one weapon to orange. Then, I’ll be another 12 away on the other (if the exact ones I need drop). But, it definately gives you something to work towards!

  • Captaintpol
    December 28, 2016 at 1:19 am

    So for echancements offense=brutal, defensive=radiant, and anything in utility?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      December 28, 2016 at 2:35 am

      In offense slots, I actually use a mix of brutals (power/crit), and cruels (power/recovery). In defensive slots, I use all vicious (deflect/lifesteal). For utility, I use quartermaster for the enchants. It’s great for double refinement, just make sure you have at least 10.5% when opening your bags you get, and hold your bags until double enchants. Hope this helps!

      • Profile photo of Dustin
        December 28, 2016 at 4:51 am

        yes it does thank you. 🙂 i saw in the other comments about the offensive ones, was just a bit confused on the defensive and utility ones. Basically on both PC and console i was playing around with my own build, and yes it worked but i knew it wasn’t holding up to others, so i decided i wanted to try something knew 🙂

  • azzuen
    January 2, 2017 at 7:29 am

    What are the best enchantments for the character?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      January 2, 2017 at 1:13 pm

      Right now, vorpal is the best weapon enchantment for TRs. Perfect soulforged is all you need. If you upgrade it past that, upgrade it all the way to transcendent, because pure isn’t consistent in applying it’s debuff. The best armor enchantment is probably Soulforged. Lesser is fine.

      Beyond that, I use a mix of Brutals (power and crit) and cruels (power and recovery) in my offense slots. I use all vicious (deflect and life steal) in my defense slots. I put quartermasters in my utility slots.

      Remember to upgrade your bondings first, and put your best enchants on your bonding companion because you get over 100% back from them.

      Hope this helps!

      • azzuen
        January 5, 2017 at 8:15 am

        Thank you. Very good guild. In the companion I have 2 bonding rank 8 and rank 9. I want to climb stast of armor penetration and critical with incantations.

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          January 5, 2017 at 3:05 pm

          You might want to look at some artifacts and equipment that beef up your armor pen. That ought to allow you to invest in enchantments that’ll boost your critical strike. Boost your armor pen first, though. Good luck!

  • Redgyle Littletinker
    January 9, 2017 at 7:49 am

    Thanks for the guide and comments. My question is, Have you ever tested or used Young Yeti 10pct chance on damage taken for +10% damage? I get knocked around all over. Have no math to back it up, but it has to proc alot.

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      January 9, 2017 at 2:16 pm

      I have thought about it, but the problem the yeti has is that it’s bonus doesn’t work right now. It does make you grow bigger, but the actual 10% damage buff doesn’t happen.

      • Redgyle Littletinker
        January 10, 2017 at 7:30 pm

        Oh…. Good to know. On Same topic… Ever look at Dancing Blade as an “in use” companion instead of Fire Archon? I like the stats(same as fire Icon), and under the stat tab, the last combat ability it has says that when it hits it grants combat advantage. Thats like 9 or 10% for me atm. To do this I would replace Erinyes as an active not in use and lose 5% Crit Severity. Someday when I have a ton of extra AD I may get 3 sword knots and check it out.

        • Profile photo of Tennessee
          January 11, 2017 at 1:15 am

          Some people like the dancing blade, but if your crit severity plus your combat advantage is over 150%, it’s bonus will amount to less than a 2% bonus to your damage. Plus, since it is melee, it takes longer to proc bondings and protectors camaraderie. I’ll take a 7% buff to damage on enemies with less than 50% hp all day over that. Its active bonus is half as effective as the Erinyes and I’m not convinced the Erinyes is worth it.

  • GhostRevamped
    January 11, 2017 at 4:21 am

    I may be blind, but what was your intial stat roll?

  • azzuen
    January 12, 2017 at 6:45 am

    Hello, a question, since for more that I have searched I do not find, do you know where or how can you make the set vivified relic raid? I’ve just gotten the heroic booing boots in Bryn Shander

  • Yardbird
    January 19, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    Thx for all the work, Great Guide !

    One question:

    You state:

    “I proc bondings and brutality rings with a doohickey, pop my wheel of elements, run in, sly flourish, smoke bomb (or ITC) > stealth > Dazing Strike > Lurker’s Assault > Lashing blade > duellist flurry >stealth >dazing strike , etc.”

    Why dont you stealth after lurkers assault? Doesnt stealth + LB causes more damage than stealth + DS (Single Target scenario)?
    Or alternative why not sly, smoke, stealth, lashing blade, la, ds, df, stealth, lb?

    I probably miss something here, any help is much appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Yardbird

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      January 19, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      Thank you for the compliment!

      You are right, it should be. It was an oversight on my part.

      One thing to note, though, is if you stealth>daily, like you should for mobs with whirlwind of blades, Invisible Infiltrator fills your stealth up, but since you were in stealth when you used your daily, it counts as your having never left stealth. In other words, you don’t have to actively stealth again.
      I probably had that on my brain when I wrote up that rotation.

      As for your alternative rotation, if that works for you, use it. I find that I do better with my biggest hit getting the biggest buff. So, I’d prefer to pop LA and stealth before LB to maximize the LD damage since it has a longer cooldown. Also, quite often, if I use my DS first, it comes back by the time I am through my rotation. That way I can start and finish my rotation with a pretty big hit. And, even if it doesn’t count towards the initial SoD, it often can proc a new one because my stealth comes back relatively quickly.
      Good questions!

  • Yardbird
    January 19, 2017 at 4:05 pm

    Thx for the quick reply. BTW forget about my “rotation” idea, of course you are right, i did not take cooldowns into Account.

  • Profile photo of Izom
    January 21, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    Love this guide, been using it for months now and do pretty good even though I’m not even close to Bis. I have rank 8 gems, lesser vorpal and greater bonding. What should I work on first? Thanks again

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      January 22, 2017 at 12:36 am

      Not knowing what your combat advantage, and crit severity is right now, I’d probably suggest getting your vorpal up first. I expect you’ll see a bigger boost in DPS from that at first. At least get it to greater, and then focus on those bondings. When you start upgrading your enchantments, put your best enchantments on your companion with the bondings.
      All of this depends on your in game financial situation as well. That vorpal is expensive to upgrade because of the required extra vorpals and coal wards. You already have your bondings to greater so they may be cheaper to upgrade to at least perfect.
      Hope this helps!

  • Profile photo of Izom
    January 22, 2017 at 1:10 am

    My crit severity is at 82% combat advantage is 1517, and 9.3 percent. I’ve been saving up for twisted weapons but I think it would serve me better to work on gems, I just had difficulty figuring out the order. I have right around 2.5 mil in ad so I can do a little.

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      January 22, 2017 at 12:29 pm

      I’d probable raise the bondings one level, then hit the vorpal. The twisted weapons will help, but there are some new weapons being released next mod that should be an improvement over the twisted set. Good luck!!

  • 6Toy
    January 24, 2017 at 7:03 am

    Your guide helped me alot, thank you for your work. I have one question though. Why did you make your air archon legendary, when it’s your fire archon you have summoned?

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      January 24, 2017 at 7:19 am

      Glad you are enjoying it! Thank you for your compliment.

      The legendary bonus that adds 15% of the summoned companion’s stats to your character, works like an active companion power. It doesn’t have to be on the companion summoned for you to get the bonus. Since I figured I am much more likely to swap my active companion out over time, and it is so expensive to upgrade a companion to legendary, I thought my best bet would be to make one of my companions with the best active bonus legendary. That way, even if I change my active companion for another, I can still get that legendary bonus to my stats. Hope this helps!

  • Kaden
    February 20, 2017 at 6:03 am

    I currently have an Ioun Stone of Allure.

    Should I use that or the Fire Archon?

    Thanks! (I’m having a hard time understanding the difference :/ …)

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      February 20, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      The ioun stone is an augment companion which transfers 100% of its stats to your character.
      However, if you have a fire archon, with fully upgraded bonding runestones, you get 285% of its stats transferred to your character. When your companion attacks, it immediately procs the bonding runestones, as well as any mount powers that can also add to your stats as well.
      That being said, I’d choose a con artist for my summoned companion, if I had it to do over at this point. It’s attack will debuff whatever you are attacking giving you, and the other members of your party, an increase in damage.
      Once your bonding runestones get to greater level, you are better off running the summoned companion over the augment. Hope this helps!

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      February 22, 2017 at 1:21 pm

      If you have 3 bonding runestones that are greater rank or better, you are better off with the fire archon as the bonding only gives you 100% of its stats. Also the fire archon can proc mount bonuses, too.

  • Kaden
    February 20, 2017 at 6:03 am

    I currently have an Ioun Stone of Allure.

    Should I use that or the Fire Archon?

    Thanks! (I’m having a hard time understanding the difference :/ …)

  • Redgyle Littletinker
    March 9, 2017 at 12:24 am

    What are your thoughts on the new Cloaked A. boons?? I like Fey Briars and Healing Heat. The other tree concerns me. Will Aura of Despair create a ton of agro on the mobs you stun for 4 seconds? Interested to know what you know/think.

  • Mafia
    March 9, 2017 at 7:02 am

    With the new changes made to weapon enchantments on mod 11 what is the best in slot now bilethorn,lightning? or still vorpal

  • March 19, 2017 at 1:55 pm

    Ready for the noobiest of noob comment? lol…

    So this is my first character, I’m going through the quests well enough, making sure I do everything in one zone before moving on to the next, making it so I am a few levels beyond the requirement by the time I get there. I am level 58, about to be 59. I have my powers and feats in the right spots, my first question is where am I supposed to get the fancy companions? And mounts while I’m at it lol. I currently have the healer, con artist, dog, and sell sword at level 20, but I figured it’d be a waste to upgrade any of them and just wait for a better companion. Second question is what gear should I be buying at this level? I’m currently just grabbing gear from the vendors if they suit what I need, otherwise I’m just taking what drops. I guess I just feel like I should have stumbled upon this stuff by now, maybe I’m just too focused on the next quest, I don’t know. Thanks for your help!

    • Profile photo of Tennessee
      March 26, 2017 at 2:55 pm

      Hey! Sorry about the delay in response. Real life got in the way the last several weeks.
      To your questions: right now, it really doesn’t matter your gear composition. You really won’t start to flesh out that until after you hit level 70. The elemental evil campaign is what you should start once you hit 60. The gear you get there will get you to 70. After that, I’d look at either stronghold gear from your guild, or gear you can get from the Underdark/maze engine campaigns.

      I also think they’ve made some of the gear in sharandar or dread ring scale with you as you level and that might be a nice option to get you up to 70.

      Your companions you will have to save up for, but the sellsword or con artist both provide a wonderful 10% debuff that helps the whole party. The sellsword is much harder to gear up because it has no ring slot, but has 3 offensive slots which is nice as you get your bonding runestones leveled up. It’s not too early to start thinking about your bonding runestones. And, you might consider a goat as an augment until you start putting together your endgame companions.
      The good news is that most of these companions you can now get as a drop in T2 dungeons. The bad news is that the chance that you get exactly the companion you need is pretty small. You’ll probably have to buy them on the auction house.
      One exception is the Erinyes, which isn’t bad, especially as you move towards BIS. It’s less useful once you finally get there, but it’ll give you a nice DPS boost until then. You have to buy the warlock pack from the zen store to get it, but then, it will be available to every character you have.

      Hope this helps!

      • March 28, 2017 at 11:29 pm

        Thank you so much! I skimmed through the auction house a couple of times and got a couple of pieces of gear for only a couple of diamonds, made me feel a little better about what I’m currently sporting lol. It says my elemental evil campaign is locked, but I’ll figure that out. Thank you again for the reply! And for the guide, of course =)

  • Profile photo of Izom
    March 26, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    ps4 gets the new expansion on april 11th. with that expansion are some new artifact weapons and changes to the underdark rings. currently i have the twisted set and i’m working on my shadewalkers weapons. are these new weapons even worth considering or should i stick to what i have. also with the underdark rings, i have a +5 brutality on my companion, what should i replace that with? thanks again for your guide, it’s been more than helpful to me.

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